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overall nearly two hundred sixty palestinians have been killed most of them civilians including dozens of children it was a short few monitary in truce on thursday but the exchange of fire resumed as soon as that and. the israeli prime minister's been talking about the operation in gaza vowed to deliver a serious blow against some us has the details what we're hearing from military sources is that at this stage they are limiting their operation to some two to three kilometers inside gaza we are being told that some one hundred targets have been hit that twenty of them are launching pads nine of them are tunnels at that the operation will be expanded we are also being told that this could take around two weeks this is the time you see the army is to meet it needs to completely destroy the tunnels and guards at each tunnel for instance take some three years to build now the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu said that he was left with no option after diplomacy failed back to launch
a ground offensive he has said that it is impossible to destroy these tunnels that israel blames for being used to smuggle weapons into gaza from the air at the same time he did say the israelis were trying hard not to hit civilians but they blamed her mass for using civilians as human shields now we're also hearing from the minister of defense as well as the chief of staff and they say to quote them that the operation will last for as long as it needs to they also say that this will be a limited operation and that garza will be attacked from all sides at this stage no one is talking about conquering garza although we have heard that sentiment expressed by the israeli foreign minister avigdor lieberman. and i sponsor more about gaza over on our website dot com. debris and corpses scattered across an area covering fifty kilometers that's the aftermath of a malaysia airlines passenger plane crash in eastern ukraine that took place on
thursday all two hundred ninety eight people on board were killed fewer than half the victims have been recovered so far witnesses spoke of seeing bodies fall from the sky. i saw a piece of the plane fall about four hundred meters from my apartment when i went to check it out i saw scattered bodies from a distance of looked like debris was falling but as it turned out it was people falling out of the aircraft the only it was terrible what i saw at first i saw smoke and fire when the firemen started to put out the flame and i saw the body was torn apart there were children too there were bodies just to see here and there of the plane on route from amsterdam to kuala lumpur was flying over the part of eastern ukraine where he's waging its crackdown against anti-government forces it then disappeared from radar shortly before entering russian airspace ukraine's president accused anti-government fighters of downing the plane with
a rocket calling it a terrorist attack but militia groups say that they don't have access to the kind of weapons needed to do that the nationalities of most of the people on board have now been identified more than half of them hundred seventy three to be exact would another forty four victims were malaysian including the fifteen crew members also on the plane were twenty seven australians twelve indonesians nine britons four germans and four belgians as well as other nationalities twenty more victims are still being identified. these are pictures from poor families gathered in the country's main airport shortly after they found out what had happened many became angry and demanded to see the passenger manifest desperate for news of loved ones. so worst hits is being in the netherlands which has lost more than one hundred
seventy of its citizens relatives now want to know what happened. to reports from amsterdam the majority of the passengers on that flight were dutch nationals and that flight took off from here where i am in amsterdam people airport before it crashed in ukraine and the scenes we saw here yesterday absolute devastation of the devastated passengers relatives just trying to obtain information about what had happened to their loved ones and the grief and the shock of coming to terms with their losses it was just unbelievable we know that malaysian airlines have sent out a care team here to amsterdam to help passengers cope with their losses but we also know that a number of the passengers were headed to melbourne for an international aid
conference. the spanish correspondent francisco was at the scene of the crash earlier he sent this report. in these kilometers that he said is that you can see several pieces of the aircraft the antique here said that they don't have the capability to shoot an aircraft who is in a distance of ten thousand meters the. open an investigation it's a situation that is very important and important political connotations because here in the last days there was a big comeback between the militia and. forces ok because of data from the russia ukraine border is a correspondent to renegotiate well at this point it does seem that there is information coming in that the self-defense forces from the self-proclaimed donetsk people's republic that are also working on the scene in fact were some of the first
ones to be at the site of the crash there are reports coming in saying that they have recovered a second black box now exactly where those boxes are heading from there on is not yet clear there have been there has been information that the defense forces wanted to transfer them to moscow for investigation so however we do know that there have been increasing calls coming in from e.u. officials from the secretary general of nato calling for an international investigation into this horrific tragedy and we also know that all we see observers are said to be heading to the site of the crash so perhaps the recovery of the black boxes is something that will take us one step closer to finding out the reasons and the actual causes of this disaster russia's defense ministry says it intercepted an exchange between the ukrainian military concerning a target at the time of the crash auntie's that would cali has more. this information was between the book air defense system that's
a surface to air missile and their air targets at the time the boeing that went down now they don't have any more information than that but they're also saying that they know that the ukrainian military does have this book defense system in the area and that three of the missile batteries. of the boeing when it went down the kremlin spokesman dmitri pursue scar of told the british newspaper the guardian that it is stupid to think that russia is culpable for this and we know that president putin has also said that ukraine must bear responsibility for this act for this tragedy happened over ukrainian territory and if there was peace in eastern ukraine then it never would have happened. we have to do everything in our capability to make sure an objective
picture of what happened is made public and known to people in our country as well as the people of ukraine in the whole world what happened is completely unacceptable and no one has the right to walk away without making ject of conclusion of what happened first. i want to point out that this tragedy wouldn't have happened if there was peace on the ukrainian land at least if the fighting hadn't had resumed in the south east without any doubt the state on whose territory this happened must stand responsible for this horrible tragedy. kremlin has said it won't make any further comments until more concrete facts about what caused this tragedy and russia has also said that it is open to take part in an international investigation. well one after another major air carriers are diverting their planes around ukrainian airspace among them are air france scale and lift europe's
transport agency europe controllers advised all e.u. carriers to avoid ukraine's space r.t. speak to all of reports from berlin. heard from german chancellor angela merkel she was given a press conference in which she said there needs to be a full investigation into exactly what caused this disaster she said that germany was willing to to send a team to ukraine to to help with that investigation to get to the bottom of exactly what happened but she also went on to say that this was an extremely serious act to take in place she referred to the plane having being shot down and she said that those that are responsible must be brought to justice that's what the german chancellor saying that she did also express her extreme grief and condolences for the families of the those that have been killed four germans were
among those that have been on board this plane and she expressed particular condo interest to the people of the netherlands who of course were worst affected by this disaster but she's not the only. european leader that's been speaking about this david cameron the british prime minister of course nine were on that flight as well and he's going to be chairing a meeting of cobra later on that's the. it's the group of that assesses serious instances that are going on he also said that he'd spoken to the dutch prime minister mr used to express his condolences and saying that europe and britain all grieve together with with the people of the netherlands. and we're seeing this come out but from every leader every politician around europe all expressing their condolences and grief for what's gone on with regarding the downing of this
airplane in eastern ukraine now if you look at any radar map at the moment of the ukrainian area it's complete almost completely bare of any any planes flying around there many airlines are avoid. ukrainian airspace all together all are avoiding eastern ukraine this is after euro control the the organization that monitors air traffic safety said that was now a no fly zone the area around eastern ukraine no flights would be passing over there as europe deals with what is a real tragedy not just for europe but for people around the world when we see the nations that all those people came from that have been killed and u.s. intelligence officials they claim that the plane was downed by surface to air missile but have not specifically blamed either side ice president joe biden said a team of specialists will be sent to assist ukrainian authorities with the investigation and going to church account is in washington following the american reaction. u.s.
officials believe it was a surface to air missile that shot down the malaysian plane over ukraine the u.s. is not pointing the blame thing there just yet president obama spoke with the ukrainian leader. we can be sure that the blame game in the coming days and weeks is going to be vicious there are questions as to who had the capability to do this the ukrainian military certainly has the capability to launch like that would require a team of specialists as we hear from many experts and there is another question why was this malaysian airline flying over the conflict zone we know that u.s. airlines had been avoiding the area for some time precisely because it was deemed unsafe what kind of instructions did this plane receive from the ukrainian air traffic control or what exactly was happening inside the cockpit just moments before the tragedy hopefully we'll get more answers when investigators get hold of that black box of course one of the main questions at this point is who is going to investigate this the u.n. secretary general spoke out calling for an international investigation one of the
concerns moving forward is that the investigation could eventually be politicized the blame game is full on in the media even before any facts have been established . to some of the accusations against the government fighters are based on the tweets which was reportedly posted and then deleted from the social media account of the dunya people's republic treat was allegedly a boat antigovernment forces that they had taken possession of an advance missile system capable of bringing down the plane however in an interview to the ukrainian media gives the prosecutor general actually didn't know the weapons would fall into the hands of militants another allegation coming from ukrainian officials is based around what they say is an intercepted phone call between government fighters in it they purportedly in the midst of shooting down the plane. well if this passenger jet was shot down there are few weapons in the region actually able to do that one
possible example is the book surface to air missile system several former soviet countries use such a weapon including ukraine it has the ability to intercept up to twenty four targets at the same time within a distance of up to forty five kilometers and can reach an altitude of twenty five kilometer projectiles travel it up to twelve hundred meters per second as yet there is no confirmation this missile system was the cause of the crash. aviation experts however believe that this was almost certainly a missile strike there are total sorry. that would indicates whether this is a missile strike or otherwise that that will be presence on the remnants of the fuselage if we're in a proper analysis and storm of the lines for drugs or. the.
triple seven. often described as a workhorse of the skies. opened earlier this year we're also mazie m m h three c. or. the line of a very serious safety related incident. some considerable number of years so there's no fear. in spring springs to mind mind that could indicates that this was a save to the relay to. you it had to be. probably a missile strike. so let's just take a look at the chronology of events this is how it all transpired at twelve fifteen pm local time the plane left amsterdam for kuala lumpur at four twenty one pm you can see here ukrainian time all radio and radar contact with the flight were lost within the hour antek air forces arrived at the crash site now after
a thorough sweep of the wreckage there found no survivors by seven pm both kiev and anti government troops were denied shooting down the plane and instead started pinning the blame on each other three hours later the opposition said it had recovered the plane's flight recorders and would hand them over for investigation and that left malaysian airlines to notify hundreds of grief stricken relatives the international investigators haven't arrived at the crash site but the ukrainian authorities and some western media will they have been quick to blame and fighters our correspondent marina portnoy takes us through some of the wild speculation taking place in the media. a shocking tragedy claiming the lives of nearly three hundred victims before and investigation even begins the lack of credible facts has it prevented many in the west from jumping to conclusions according to the sun newspaper the russian president is personally responsible for downing the malaysia
airlines plane in ukraine and accusation some u.s. officials are doing their best to feel if it is a result of either separatist or russian action mistakenly believing there was a ukrainian warplanes i think there's going to be hell to pay and there should be there does seem to be a growing awareness that it probably had to be russian insurgence now how we determine that will require some forensics but then if there is evidence pointing in that direction the equipment had to come from russia either the missile came from it's a missile that came from russia or it was from the separatists and it's a buccal style vessel i mean this came from russia russia has their fingerprints all over it either way why stop it fingers according to the daily mail russia's hands are soaked in blood some journalists conveniently camouflaged their blame with a question mark headline after headline asking if russia is to blame very few bothering
to enquire about ukraine's possible role in the plane crash the new york times on the other hand reported ukraine's accusations leaving no room in this article for russia's position the u.s. nato and russia have all called for an investigation to be launched to establish the facts many media outlets have already created their narrative even if it means bypassing the truth marina port ny r.t. new york. charlie mcgrath founder of wide awake news believes that western media has already chosen a scapegoat in light of the fact that nearly three hundred people just died i did jump into bashing but since you asked the question i will this is a western backed regime inside a key appear chico is absolutely put there by the united states by the e.u. by the international monetary fund they say you know like i said the ukraine is not
in the forefront of the people's mind in the west it's going to be now and when i was monitoring coverage on this earlier today they give you two options for what is happening inside ukraine it's either russia's fault or pro russian separatists fault you know they're forgetting the fact that ukraine right now the ukrainian government is showing civilians is showing in urban areas and hundreds and hundreds of civilians have already been killed and killed at the hands of the ukrainian government so you know the fact that the media is not reporting the truth on the ground is not surprising at all because this is the western media who is toeing the western propaganda line turns out ukraine's army does actually have some history of shooting down civilian planes and in a culture of looks back at i think it will mistake that occurred during military exercises in two thousand and one. the case has bit of similarities to the incident indeed it happened thirteen years ago two thousand and one in accra to
where a russian plane was carrying sixty six passengers as well as twelve crew members and was flying from tel of based in israel to. now somewhere about the black sea it happened the russian ground control center reported that its last contact with the chance the plane disappeared from the reader and very shortly after it was revealed the plane went down into the sea of course of the investigation was launched in there were conflicting reports and i do remember there was one when the pilots. are meeting in a plane that was flying above pretty much the same area said that he actually saw the russian jab before crashing into the sea in his so how the jet exploded it's the number one reason in the incident was a possible terrorist attack that's what the investigators first thought but then it
turned out that the crash happened due to ukrainian a missile that broad down the plane and that happened accidentally during military exercises military drills happening at the same time in a while basically this seems area now i have to mention that ukrainian military forces really didn't know it quite heatedly that they were at fault however international. investigation was carried out in international society acknowledged the fact that there was a ukrainian ukrainian missed that brought down that russian plane and that happened back in two thousand and one. website is gathered to information on all the previous cases where civilians would tell you can buy weapons you don't call them to see where and when they. right to see. first strike. and i would think that your.
orders would. be in the. let's head now to our other top story today here on r.t. which is that israel is expanding its ground operation in gaza one of its soldiers has been killed the first israeli military death in this part of the campaign which began late on thursday and the offensive has also led to palestinian casualties. who. knows all the old very well. for all of those.
who. didn't. know you. and these images showed the bodies of three children who were reportedly hit by artillery fire there were more than twenty palestinians who died since this ground offensive began. early friday there were heavy bombardments of cross skulls there with locals reporting tanks crossing the border israeli warplanes have also reportedly hit a building housing several media organizations rockets are still being fired by militants in israel israel says its ground troops are trying to destroy tunnels being used by hamas to infiltrate the country harry fear has more now on the situation. we understand that one of the primary objectives of the operation is to destroy the tunnel infrastructure which is used by the fighters here israel sees this as a counterterrorism operation i spoke to one of the hamas. spokespersons and they
said that israel's operation will automatically result in large number of civilian casualties and he described israel's intent towards gaza as deliberately going after gaza's civilian population it's not clear at the moment exactly what scale this ground invasion or incursion is going to materialize but we do know that there have been incursions into the northern area of the strip specifically at least the beit hanoun area we've also received unconfirmed reports that as a result of those incursions there have been specific casualties as a result of those ground true. moving at. this really operation follows days of garza shelling this with a mass launching rockets in return overall nearly two hundred sixty palestinians have been killed most of them civilians including dozens of children there was a short humanitarian truce on first day but the exchange of fire resumed as soon as
that. israeli prime minister has been talking about the operation in gaza vowing to deliver a serious blow against spall asli has the details what we're hearing from military sources is that at this stage they are limiting their operation to some two to three kilometers inside gaza we are being told that some one hundred targets have been hit that twenty of them are launching pads nine of them are tunnels at that the operation will be expanded we are also being told that this could take around two weeks this is the time the cd army is to mate it needs to completely destroy the tunnels in gaza each tunnel for instance takes some three years to build now the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu said that he was left with no option after diplomacy failed back to launch a ground offensive he has said that it is impossible to destroy these tunnels that israel blames for being used to smuggle weapons into gaza from the air at the same
time he did say the israelis were trying hard not to hit civilians but they blamed her massively using civilians as human shields now we're also hearing from the minister of defense as well as the chief of staff and they say to quote them that the operation will last for as long as it needs to they also say that this will be a limited operation and that garza will be attacked from all sides at this stage no one is talking about conquering gaza although we have heard that sentiment expressed by the israeli foreign minister avigdor lieberman. and you can find plenty more about garza over on our web site that's r t v dot com we're going take a very short break i'll be back with the very latest news from this hour.
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in life there are groups and there are what. world leaders call for an unimpeded international investigation after a malaysian airlines passenger jet crashes. killing all two hundred ninety eight people on board. the relatives of the victims are overwhelmed with grief the netherlands alone lost more than one hundred fifty of its citizens when the boeing seven seven seven came down . and both kiev and anti government forces are accusing each other of bringing down the plane we take a look at the blame game that's underway.